On Sunday’s broadcast of NBC’s “Meet the Press,” outgoing Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta seemed to tell host Chuck Todd that the CIA did employ torture tactics like those seen in the film “Zero Dark Thirty” during the hunt for Osama bin Laden — but he insisted the United States would have caught the terrorist mastermind even without those techniques.
“Zero Dark Thirty” repeatedly depicts CIA operatives taunting and waterboarding defenseless detainees. It attracted widespread criticism before its release and sparked an ongoing debate about its accuracy.
But when Todd asked Panetta flatly whether “enhanced interrogation techniques — or torture — were used to get bin Laden,” Panetta suggested they were.
“The real story is that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to bin Laden, there was a lot of intelligence,” Panetta said. “There were a lot of pieces out there that were a part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time — interrogation tactics that were used. But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that. I think we could have gotten bin Laden without that.”
OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN DEAD FOR 12 YEARS!
By DAVID CRARY:
NEW YORK (AP) – The killing of Osama bin Laden during a raid by Navy SEALs on his hideout in Pakistan was the top news story of 2011, followed by Japan‘s earthquake/tsunami/meltdown disaster, according to The Associated Press‘ annual poll of U.S. editors and news directors.
New York Times Reported Bin Laden Dead In 2001
By Amir Taheri
Published: July 11, 2002
Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December 2001 and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan’s president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama’s gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama’s ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.
With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival?
Even if he is still in the world, bin Ladenism has left for good. Mr. bin Laden was the public face of a brand of politics that committed suicide in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001, killing thousands of innocent people in the process. –New York Times
Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen.
Wednesday, October 16, 2002
TEL AVIV: Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have
decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the
will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said.
The sources said Al Qaida has already determined Bin Laden’s heir. They
said the heir has not been identified, but is probably not Bin Laden’s
son, Saad. Saad is said to be in his 20s and ranked within the top 20
members of Al Qaida.
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The death of bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader who masterminded the Sept. 11 terror attacks, received 128 first-place votes out of 247 ballots cast for the top 10 stories. The Japan disaster was next, with 60 first-place votes. Placing third were the Arab Spring uprisings that rocked North Africa and the Middle East, while the European Union’s financial turmoil was No. 4.
TAMPA (2011-9-9) -
New information is surfacing that a Saudi family in Sarasota is linked to the masterminds of the 9/11 terror attack. Even though the FBI investigated the connection after the family fled, Congressional investigators were never notified. And that has former Sen. Bob Graham calling for a new investigation.
The “official” story presented to the American people told us that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the attacks of September 11, 2001.
But…..in authenticated interviews, bin Laden had categorically denied responsibility for 9/11, once even deploring the loss of civilian life in the attacks and calling them un-Islamic.
On September 28, 2001, bin Laden reiterated his earlier statements, (he unequivocably denied his involvement on no less than four separate occasions, on September 12, 16, 17, and 28 ) saying in the interview;
“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam….”
The U.S. invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001. The administration’s stated aim for the invasion was to find Osama bin Laden and other high-ranking Al-Qaeda members and put them on trial, to destroy the whole organization of Al-Qaeda, and to remove the Taliban regime which supported and gave safe harbor to Al-Qaeda.
An unfortunate complication to the “official” story, was the highly inconvenient death of bin Laden himself, in mid-December of 2001.
With bin Laden’s death, there was no longer a villian that could be used to rally the American people.
A solution was found.
News of bin Laden’s death would simply be swept under the carpet. A stand-in would be used to dispell earlier reports of his death.
The Bush-Cheney Administration announced that they had found proof of bin Laden’s guilt, citing a grainy, badly-edited ”confession” videotape that conveniently ”surfaced” in December, 2001.
The videotape, which purportedly showed a jolly Osama Bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks, was made public on December 13, 2001, while the real Osama bin Laden, physically gaunt and graying, (who, a month or so earlier had already been described as looking pale and haggard, his left hand never moving), was prepared for burial. The immobile left arm, Dr. Sanjay Gupta had observed on CNN, suggested that bin Laden had suffered a stroke, adding that this, plus a “frosting of the appearance” suggested that bin Laden was in the final stages of kidney failure.
In the “confession” video tape, a man, who, by virtue of the beard and headpiece, only vaguely resembled bin Laden, chortles about the success of the 9/11 attacks. The individual portraying bin Laden in the video is a stocky man with a black beard, not a grey one. “bin Laden’s” pale skin had suddenly become darker, and he had a different shaped nose. His artistic hands with slender fingers had transformed into those of a pugilist. He looked in exceedingly good health. Furthermore, the “bin Laden” in the video can be seen writing a note with his right hand, although the real bin Laden was left-handed.
The real Osama bin Laden was a well educated man. Bin Laden studied economics and business administration at King Abdulaziz University and earned a degree in civil engineering in 1979.
Civil engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the design, construction and maintenance of the physical and naturally built environment, including works such as bridges, roads, canals, dams and buildings.
In the poorly scripted “confession” video however, the hackneyed dialogue parrots the Bush-Cheney Admnistration’s “official” explanation of the twin towers collapse. The actor playing the part of bin Laden expresses his delight at the results of the attack.
“We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy who would be killed based on the position of the tower. . . . Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for..”
There’s a small problem with that dialogue. It is totally inane.
A degreed Civil Engineer knows (among other things) that high-rise buildings are framed with steel girders, not iron.
It was obviously hard to get good script-writing help.
Yet for years, the Bush-Cheney Administration continued to lie to the American public, insisting that this preposterously inept hoax was a genuine “confession video”.
Not content with that video, and adding insult to injury, for their remaining term in office, the Bush-Cheney administration continued to roll out an entire series of appropriately vitriolic videos, each designed to further incite the wrath of the American public and bolster support for their war.
“They all look alike”. The rationale for the videos appeared to be, that as long as a bearded actor was appropriately costumed, gullible American citizens would simply take their government’s word for the speaker’s identity. Unfortunately, of the series of actors chosen to play the part of bin Laden, each was even less credible than the last. The Office:
DAVID CRARY CONTINUES:
The international flavor of these top stories contrasted with last year’s voting – when the Gulf of Mexico oil spill was the top story, President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul was No. 2, and the U.S. midterm elections were No. 3.
U.S. Government Insider Says Osama Died in 2001
The reports above are further corroborated by a Prison Planet article that proclaims “Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been on Ice for Nearly a Decade.” From the article:
In April 2002, over nine years ago, Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker, told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months”. [...] “I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying,” Pieczenik told Jones during the April 24, 2002 interview.
Steve R. Pieczenik’s testimony cannot be easily dismissed. He’s worked for five U.S. presidents and worked directly with Osama bin Laden in the late 70s and early 80s.
This Pennington Press article quotes Steve R. Pieczenik at length. It is well worth reading. Here’s one of the most relevant excerpts from the article:
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
This gives even more credence to the theory that Osama bin Laden died more than 9 years ago in the mountains of Afghanistan. If this is indeed true (and I believe it is), then why has the U.S. claimed for nearly 10 years that Osama is still alive? And why has the U.S. all of a sudden “found” Osama, killed him, and sunk his body to the bottom of the ocean just 12 hours after his death?
- Bin Laden Dead …AGAIN!! Photoshopped pictures crime scene burnt , body disposed of, Obama presidency more popular, Beware WWIII
THE BOTTOM LINE:
Is Osama bin Laden really dead?
Did Osama bin Laden orchestrate the events of 9/11?
It was politically advantageous for those in power at the time, to encourage American voters to believe that bin Laden was the party responsible for the attacks.
WHEN did Osama bin Laden actually die?
We recommend taking the following into consideration.
There are documented reports of bin Laden’s death in 2001.
All verifiable communication with Osama bin Laden ceased in December of 2001.
A recurring multi-year series of spurious, CIA produced “bin Laden” audio and video tapes were created to justify the invasion of Iraq and requests for increased war funding.
There are 20 – 25 minutes of audio/visual feed to the White House missing from a 40 minute CIA orchestrated raid performed by a crack team of Navy Seals.
A decision appears to have been made not to perform an autopsy on the single body removed from the compound in Pakistan.
The unusual decision to dispose of the body at sea negated the opportunity for a forensic pathologist to determine the approximate age of the victim.
Or…to determine when the individual died.
No reports have been forthcoming giving a detailed physical description or describing previously known physical injuries or illnesses.
The decision not to release an official photograph of the body or give specific details which were employed in DNA testing.
“History is fiction agreed upon” – Voltaire
- No Sailors Witnessed Osama Bin Laden’s Burial At Sea (disinfo.com)
- NO U.S. Sailors Witnessed Osama bin Laden’s Secret Burial at Sea (tvaraj.wordpress.com)
- Tales from the crypt: bin Laden ‘ordered comrades to kill Obama’ (rt.com)